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		<title>By: George Clinton never died &#171; B R ¥ T B Ü R K ? N</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Clinton never died &#171; B R ¥ T B Ü R K ? N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 11:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] on the intro to their first LP. On America Eats It&#8217;s Young they even include a text from The Church Of The Process, a congregation founded by ex-Scientologists that worshipped both God and Satan and believed the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: bonnie daves</title>
		<link>http://stewarthomesociety.org/blog/archives/1610/comment-page-1#comment-5820</link>
		<dc:creator>bonnie daves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 05:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The PC of the FJ was a truely satanic cult in 1972-73,  Minot, ND. Some cult members raised German Sheherds, both for sacrifice and to sell to military people the they hoped to &#039;bring into their fold&#039;. One of the members worked at a hospital as an orderly. A woman that had a child there had her keys stolen by him. Five weeks later, the man went into the womans home and smothered her son, leaving her asleep. Then, weeks after that, found her new home and left blood (from breaking a window to get in) on her bed and underclothes he found in a drawer. I pray, to the true Lord, that this dog has already recieved the slaughter he deserves. Maybe even ending like Niki Catsaurus, but with minutes of awareness before death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The PC of the FJ was a truely satanic cult in 1972-73,  Minot, ND. Some cult members raised German Sheherds, both for sacrifice and to sell to military people the they hoped to &#8216;bring into their fold&#8217;. One of the members worked at a hospital as an orderly. A woman that had a child there had her keys stolen by him. Five weeks later, the man went into the womans home and smothered her son, leaving her asleep. Then, weeks after that, found her new home and left blood (from breaking a window to get in) on her bed and underclothes he found in a drawer. I pray, to the true Lord, that this dog has already recieved the slaughter he deserves. Maybe even ending like Niki Catsaurus, but with minutes of awareness before death.</p>
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		<title>By: danger.fellini</title>
		<link>http://stewarthomesociety.org/blog/archives/1610/comment-page-1#comment-3508</link>
		<dc:creator>danger.fellini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 03:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a couple of little photo souvenirs for you.

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		<title>By: danger.fellini</title>
		<link>http://stewarthomesociety.org/blog/archives/1610/comment-page-1#comment-3505</link>
		<dc:creator>danger.fellini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 00:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Old Lumpy&quot; !!!  That is hilarious.  Nobody likes to have LUMPS in their P-Orridge !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Old Lumpy&#8221; !!!  That is hilarious.  Nobody likes to have LUMPS in their P-Orridge !</p>
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		<title>By: mistertrippy</title>
		<link>http://stewarthomesociety.org/blog/archives/1610/comment-page-1#comment-3500</link>
		<dc:creator>mistertrippy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Fred, you sum it up nicely. I was very aware of TOPY members being used as babysitters in London and Brighton. The sleight-of-hand Old Lumpy used was hilarious. Gen addressing TOPY member: &quot;Will you do something for Thee Temple&quot;. TOPY member: &quot;Yes&quot;. Gen: &quot;Right, you&#039;re babysitting the kids tonight, be round at 7pm sharp, Me and Paula are going out.&quot;

Then there was Old Lumpy&#039;s &quot;I&#039;ve copyrighted the psychic cross and I&#039;ll get my lawyers onto you if you persist in using it...&quot; routine. This one didn&#039;t work so well, because an older hand would let those threatened - like the US TOPY activists after Old Lumpy got pissed off with them for not following orders - know that Genesis was talking bollocks as usual and that there was no copyright on the psychic cross. Old Lumpy not only couldn&#039;t control his fan club cum cult, he ended up destroying it and any belief the members once had in his bullshit. Oh well, at least he’s a source of amusing anecdotes. And actually I know a number of ex-TOPY people who are really great guys.

While obviously very confused, Timothy Wyllie comes across in the book like the nice guy you say you found him to be. But I&#039;d have liked a chapter dedicated to George Clinton, now there&#039;s not just a fab musician but also a showman!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Fred, you sum it up nicely. I was very aware of TOPY members being used as babysitters in London and Brighton. The sleight-of-hand Old Lumpy used was hilarious. Gen addressing TOPY member: &#8220;Will you do something for Thee Temple&#8221;. TOPY member: &#8220;Yes&#8221;. Gen: &#8220;Right, you&#8217;re babysitting the kids tonight, be round at 7pm sharp, Me and Paula are going out.&#8221;</p>
<p>Then there was Old Lumpy&#8217;s &#8220;I&#8217;ve copyrighted the psychic cross and I&#8217;ll get my lawyers onto you if you persist in using it&#8230;&#8221; routine. This one didn&#8217;t work so well, because an older hand would let those threatened &#8211; like the US TOPY activists after Old Lumpy got pissed off with them for not following orders &#8211; know that Genesis was talking bollocks as usual and that there was no copyright on the psychic cross. Old Lumpy not only couldn&#8217;t control his fan club cum cult, he ended up destroying it and any belief the members once had in his bullshit. Oh well, at least he’s a source of amusing anecdotes. And actually I know a number of ex-TOPY people who are really great guys.</p>
<p>While obviously very confused, Timothy Wyllie comes across in the book like the nice guy you say you found him to be. But I&#8217;d have liked a chapter dedicated to George Clinton, now there&#8217;s not just a fab musician but also a showman!</p>
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		<title>By: danger.fellini</title>
		<link>http://stewarthomesociety.org/blog/archives/1610/comment-page-1#comment-3499</link>
		<dc:creator>danger.fellini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 20:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Stewart,

Great review of the Book.  I met Timothy Wyllie in 1989 while I was a musical member of Psychic TV.  He seemed like a nice guy still coming to terms with having left a genuine cult.  We spoke about George Clinton and the dominatrix mentality.  

Gen&#039;s TOPY essay inclusion is naturally mythologically self serving and exposes Gen for the incompetent cult leader he wishes he could be.  As far as I recall nobody had to turn over all their money and belongings to join TOPY.  Since myself and the majority of the members of the band had nothing really to do with TOPY except tolerating their inane chatter and trying to help them think for themselves they did come in handy when baby sitters were needed.

Now that Gen has chosen his pandrogyny surgical self this only seems to show that the only parrallel between The Process and TOPY is that Gen is a wannabee Mary Anne MacLean with hideous plastic surgery, who wishes he could have had the financial power over his followers that afforded the kind of lifestyle Mary Anne and Robert enjoyed.  An address in Hackney is a lot different than Mayfair.

telepathic regards,
fred.giannelli</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Stewart,</p>
<p>Great review of the Book.  I met Timothy Wyllie in 1989 while I was a musical member of Psychic TV.  He seemed like a nice guy still coming to terms with having left a genuine cult.  We spoke about George Clinton and the dominatrix mentality.  </p>
<p>Gen&#8217;s TOPY essay inclusion is naturally mythologically self serving and exposes Gen for the incompetent cult leader he wishes he could be.  As far as I recall nobody had to turn over all their money and belongings to join TOPY.  Since myself and the majority of the members of the band had nothing really to do with TOPY except tolerating their inane chatter and trying to help them think for themselves they did come in handy when baby sitters were needed.</p>
<p>Now that Gen has chosen his pandrogyny surgical self this only seems to show that the only parrallel between The Process and TOPY is that Gen is a wannabee Mary Anne MacLean with hideous plastic surgery, who wishes he could have had the financial power over his followers that afforded the kind of lifestyle Mary Anne and Robert enjoyed.  An address in Hackney is a lot different than Mayfair.</p>
<p>telepathic regards,<br />
fred.giannelli</p>
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		<title>By: mistertrippy</title>
		<link>http://stewarthomesociety.org/blog/archives/1610/comment-page-1#comment-3406</link>
		<dc:creator>mistertrippy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Adam, I think you might be missing a lot of humour and jokes in the comments. Besides, most of us - excluding Michael K of course, who is into Scientology - really dig communism! As the publisher of The Process book I think you can feel proud of the discussion you kicked off here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Adam, I think you might be missing a lot of humour and jokes in the comments. Besides, most of us &#8211; excluding Michael K of course, who is into Scientology &#8211; really dig communism! As the publisher of The Process book I think you can feel proud of the discussion you kicked off here.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Parfrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Parfrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 19:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darius, thanks for leaving all those unsubstantiated rumors about Process Church&#039;s unalloyed wickedness. Big coke dealers? That&#039;s new to me, and I&#039;ve spent years interviewing more than a dozen ex-members at all levels of the group.

Orgies? Well, there were a few in-group orgies, but outsiders couldn&#039;t get a taste of them. And they were primarily celibate. See Timothy Wyllie&#039;s book for salacious details.

Commenters here seem to view the world through a dissatisfied and sourpuss lens. What do you like? Anything?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darius, thanks for leaving all those unsubstantiated rumors about Process Church&#8217;s unalloyed wickedness. Big coke dealers? That&#8217;s new to me, and I&#8217;ve spent years interviewing more than a dozen ex-members at all levels of the group.</p>
<p>Orgies? Well, there were a few in-group orgies, but outsiders couldn&#8217;t get a taste of them. And they were primarily celibate. See Timothy Wyllie&#8217;s book for salacious details.</p>
<p>Commenters here seem to view the world through a dissatisfied and sourpuss lens. What do you like? Anything?</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Nosnibor</title>
		<link>http://stewarthomesociety.org/blog/archives/1610/comment-page-1#comment-3146</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Nosnibor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 18:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While on a jaunt to Stirling recently I had some time to kill in Edinburgh between trains. The pubs were yet to open so I took a stroll, although couldn&#039;t go too far from the station as my luggage was a little weighty.

On my wanders, I saw the strangest and most disconcerting sights of my fortnight&#039;s travelling – a woman wearing a face-mask like it’s Mexico city, and a table set out in the street offering passers-by a ‘free stress test.’ the trestle is covered in copies of books by L. Ron Hubbard, primarily Dianetics, which has to be an even weightier tome than Rowling’s last Potter installment. And people are taking this test! Sitting there, clutching the ‘cans’ that connect the subject to the e-meter and being asked by the robotic, Stepfordian girls running the stall why they think they react in such a way to this and that. Now, god-botherers and ‘gouranga’ merchants are bad enough, but you know things are seriously fucked when the Scientologists – young ones at that – take to the streets and insidiously play on the stressed-out mode of living we are surely all experiencing most acutely in the techno-age and in the middle of a recession as a way of peddling their warped (not to mention money-taking) cult to unsuspecting buffoons, most of whom won’t have a clue who Hubbard is. This actually served to increase my level of stress, so I walked on by as quickly as I could.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While on a jaunt to Stirling recently I had some time to kill in Edinburgh between trains. The pubs were yet to open so I took a stroll, although couldn&#8217;t go too far from the station as my luggage was a little weighty.</p>
<p>On my wanders, I saw the strangest and most disconcerting sights of my fortnight&#8217;s travelling – a woman wearing a face-mask like it’s Mexico city, and a table set out in the street offering passers-by a ‘free stress test.’ the trestle is covered in copies of books by L. Ron Hubbard, primarily Dianetics, which has to be an even weightier tome than Rowling’s last Potter installment. And people are taking this test! Sitting there, clutching the ‘cans’ that connect the subject to the e-meter and being asked by the robotic, Stepfordian girls running the stall why they think they react in such a way to this and that. Now, god-botherers and ‘gouranga’ merchants are bad enough, but you know things are seriously fucked when the Scientologists – young ones at that – take to the streets and insidiously play on the stressed-out mode of living we are surely all experiencing most acutely in the techno-age and in the middle of a recession as a way of peddling their warped (not to mention money-taking) cult to unsuspecting buffoons, most of whom won’t have a clue who Hubbard is. This actually served to increase my level of stress, so I walked on by as quickly as I could.</p>
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		<title>By: Lord Satan Himself live from Chelsea, west London</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lord Satan Himself live from Chelsea, west London</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 23:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DeGrimston&#039;s exhortation to his adherents to test themselves in &quot;the fires of 
intensity&quot; led Processeans to experiment with all imaginable excesses as a 
medium of self-transformation. They formed alliances with groups at the 
furthest edges of left-wing and right-wing political extremism, the Hell&#039;s 
Angels and other notoriously violent biker clubs; everything and anything, so 
long as it evaded and baffled the safe, linear thinking of the Grey Forces. At 
a time when pacifist protest against the Vietnam conflict was at its height, 
DeGrimston contrarily praised the Satanic virtues of War. Far from courting 
the elusive respectability and social acceptance desperately desired (and 
almost never won) by most new religions, the Process often went out of its 
way to invite deliberate disrepute. Again, we observe the left-hand path 
method of maintaining a calculated pariah outcast status, much like 
Gurdjieff&#039;s knavish striving to remain malamal (blame-worthy). To this end, the Process very consciously played up its image as a &quot;dangerous cult.&quot; To a 
London magazine which had published a negative report on the group, this 
sarcastic letter was sent to the editor: 
 
&quot;Dear Sir... 
The Process combines the worst aspects of both Nazi Germany and 
Communist China. Our methods hear a striking resemblance to the 
techniques of brainwashing and we incorporate all the components of an 
authoritative regime. In fact, we are the most authoritative authoritarian, 
Nazi, Communist, brainwashing organisation in the business. Members of the 
Process are both anarchist and fascist, dangerous megalomaniacs and 
brainwashed zombies (on alternative days) ... One thing surprises us. Your 
two sleazy would-be exposers managed to invent so much other rubbish 
about us, but no sex? No orgies? No perversions? Not one sex maniac 
amongst the lot of us? Or would this make us too acceptable to your 
readers?&quot; 
 
The intrinsic irony of the Process stance, as typified by the above letter, 
invariably went right over the heads of those against whom it was aimed. 
The Process expanded its war against the Grey Forces, spreading out 
from its posh headquarters in London&#039;s chic Mayfair district to several major 
cities in the United States. The Satanic and Luciferian side of the Process 
trinity attracted by far the most attention, and Processeans dressed in 
flamboyant black cloaks and medallions bearing the symbol of the Goat of 
Mendes soon became a familiar sight in the counterculture communities that 
sprouted up like so many psilocybin mushrooms in the late 1960s. Soup 
kitchens, a radio show, a Lucifer-themed coffee house, and the omnipresent 
Process magazine sold on the streets; all spread the Processean evangel to its 
mostly young constituency. After settling on the harsher name, Process 
Church of the Final Judgement, the DeGrimstons became increasingly 
autocratic, leaving behind the more experimental mode in which they had 
begun. Robert DeGrimston now styled himself as the archetype of Christ the 
Emissary, and his image and personality became the glue holding the Church 
together, much as the messianic figure of L. Ron Hubbard had dominated 
Scientology, from which the DeGrimstons had learned so much. Mary Anne 
DeGrimston, ex-prostitute, made for an ideal Mary Magdalene for the cult.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DeGrimston&#8217;s exhortation to his adherents to test themselves in &#8220;the fires of<br />
intensity&#8221; led Processeans to experiment with all imaginable excesses as a<br />
medium of self-transformation. They formed alliances with groups at the<br />
furthest edges of left-wing and right-wing political extremism, the Hell&#8217;s<br />
Angels and other notoriously violent biker clubs; everything and anything, so<br />
long as it evaded and baffled the safe, linear thinking of the Grey Forces. At<br />
a time when pacifist protest against the Vietnam conflict was at its height,<br />
DeGrimston contrarily praised the Satanic virtues of War. Far from courting<br />
the elusive respectability and social acceptance desperately desired (and<br />
almost never won) by most new religions, the Process often went out of its<br />
way to invite deliberate disrepute. Again, we observe the left-hand path<br />
method of maintaining a calculated pariah outcast status, much like<br />
Gurdjieff&#8217;s knavish striving to remain malamal (blame-worthy). To this end, the Process very consciously played up its image as a &#8220;dangerous cult.&#8221; To a<br />
London magazine which had published a negative report on the group, this<br />
sarcastic letter was sent to the editor: </p>
<p>&#8220;Dear Sir&#8230;<br />
The Process combines the worst aspects of both Nazi Germany and<br />
Communist China. Our methods hear a striking resemblance to the<br />
techniques of brainwashing and we incorporate all the components of an<br />
authoritative regime. In fact, we are the most authoritative authoritarian,<br />
Nazi, Communist, brainwashing organisation in the business. Members of the<br />
Process are both anarchist and fascist, dangerous megalomaniacs and<br />
brainwashed zombies (on alternative days) &#8230; One thing surprises us. Your<br />
two sleazy would-be exposers managed to invent so much other rubbish<br />
about us, but no sex? No orgies? No perversions? Not one sex maniac<br />
amongst the lot of us? Or would this make us too acceptable to your<br />
readers?&#8221; </p>
<p>The intrinsic irony of the Process stance, as typified by the above letter,<br />
invariably went right over the heads of those against whom it was aimed.<br />
The Process expanded its war against the Grey Forces, spreading out<br />
from its posh headquarters in London&#8217;s chic Mayfair district to several major<br />
cities in the United States. The Satanic and Luciferian side of the Process<br />
trinity attracted by far the most attention, and Processeans dressed in<br />
flamboyant black cloaks and medallions bearing the symbol of the Goat of<br />
Mendes soon became a familiar sight in the counterculture communities that<br />
sprouted up like so many psilocybin mushrooms in the late 1960s. Soup<br />
kitchens, a radio show, a Lucifer-themed coffee house, and the omnipresent<br />
Process magazine sold on the streets; all spread the Processean evangel to its<br />
mostly young constituency. After settling on the harsher name, Process<br />
Church of the Final Judgement, the DeGrimstons became increasingly<br />
autocratic, leaving behind the more experimental mode in which they had<br />
begun. Robert DeGrimston now styled himself as the archetype of Christ the<br />
Emissary, and his image and personality became the glue holding the Church<br />
together, much as the messianic figure of L. Ron Hubbard had dominated<br />
Scientology, from which the DeGrimstons had learned so much. Mary Anne<br />
DeGrimston, ex-prostitute, made for an ideal Mary Magdalene for the cult.</p>
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