In the past couple of days I’ve found some more online pieces about the death of Chris Gray. I’ve also come across blog talk of a Guardian obituary that was supposed to appear on 21 May; there is no sign of it yet but I guess this may still materialise. The most comprehensive obit so far is by Charlie Radcliffe who was very close to Chris in the 1960s, had little contact with him for more than 30 years after that, then rekindled this intimate friendship seven years ago. Among the many interesting observations Charlie makes at The Void are the following:
“The Acid, published under the pseudonym of Sam by Vision Press this year, is as much a contribution to the politics of the new millennium as it is to psychedelic exploration… For Chris there was precious little contradiction between the one and the other and he saw The Acid as a rational and entirely logical development of his 60s and 70s political agenda… Chris continued his political life through the late 60s, before moving to India in 1969 to join Osho. Chris’ interesting account of this period of his life is in Osho (also by Sam!) His ‘retreat’ to India earned him the opprobrium of the ‘politically committed’ but a close reading of the book is enough to indicate that Chris never turned his back on his political convictions…”
Like Chariie, I can confirm that Chris remained ‘politically committed’ and that the revolutionary transformation of society was the focus of many of his conversations with me and a couple of other people I introduced him to. One time when I was rapping with Chris, he told me the reason he went to India was to finance the revolution. He journeyed east with the explicit intention of mailing dope back to London, so that this could be sold to raise money for political activities. Some gear was intercepted before the post office delivered it to its intended recipient, when Chris got wind of this he delayed his return home. He hadn’t planned on staying away from London as long as he did, but once the British authorities had marked his card, he faced a simple choice between living in India until the heat cooled off or being busted. This enforced stay in the east led Chris to an involvement with Buddhism and ultimately Osho. To the best of my knowledge, Charlie is right to say Chris left for India in 1969, but I would stress it wasn’t until the mid-seventies that he came across Osho (AKA Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh). To clarify further, my impression is that Chris had a period back in London after his first Indian trip before returning there and involving himself with Osho.
While I was aware that Chris had a long term involvement with Osho, this wasn’t something that came up in my conversations with him. Nonetheless, Osho was a major part of Chris’ life and an obit appeared on the Sannyas News site on 17 May 2009. This post opens with the following observation: “The main founder of the Sannyasnews website, Swami Paritosh (Chris Gray), usually known as Pari, and who for writing purposes used the pseudonym “Sam”, died in the London Hampstead Marie Curie Hospice (Eden Hall) last Thursday morning (May 14th). He had put up a brave struggle with cancer over the last 12 months. He was 67.”
A few more posts about Chris’ death can be found on the History Is Made At Night, Boredom Is Always Counter-Revolutionary and Artosphere blogs. If you want to read Life of Osho by Chris Gray there is a free download available online. New and used paperback copies of Life of Osho by Sam (Sannyas, London 1997) are still readily available and carry the following International Standard Book Numbering: ISBN-10: 0953153401 and ISBN-13: 978-0953153404; since you can get a new copy for £10, avoid the used book dealers who are charging £25 and more for it. Although I’m not convinced Osho or any other guru is worth following, I still found this book really interesting for the overtly political reading Chris gives of Bhagwan’s teachings, and for the brief account he provides of his own ‘kamikaze’ drug smuggling of the early eighties. The other book Chris wrote as Sam, The Acid: On Sustained Experiment with Lysergic Acid Diethylamide, or LSD, was officially published by Vision Press about six weeks ago but no copies appear to have been commercially distributed yet. The Acid carries the following International Standard Book Numbers: ISBN-10: 0956204902 and ISBN-13: 978-0956204905. I assume copies will become available in due course.
Christopher Nelson Gray, born 22 May 1942 in London; grew up in Crosby, Liverpool, and raised by his grandmother. Educated at Repton. Died in London on 14 May 2009.
And while you’re at it don’t forget to check – www.stewarthomesociety.org – you know it makes (no) sense!
Comments
Comment by adsmj';lmgd on 2009-05-25 03:09:47 +0000
Long live Chris Gray
Comment by Ricardo Terrori on 2009-05-25 04:10:28 +0000
Curiously, in my humble country, Bhagwan cult is almost exclusively for rich people or TV stars.
I think Osho is one of the outstanding gurus in the market, but the followers of him I’ve met are just boring memoids. The women, though, tend to be hot!
LSD is here a very expensive commodity too, usually circulating amongst successful artists, TV stars and Advertising agencies “creatives”.
Comment by mistertrippy on 2009-05-25 07:25:21 +0000
Hey Rick, my impression is that here too Osho does not really have much of a working class following. Considering how long the effects last, LSD has always been extremely cheap – the cheapest drug of all considering the tripped out buzz you get. And for something a bit lighter there are always magic mushrooms, which you can go out and pick for free in the countryside in the fall…..
Comment by Chris Gray on 2009-05-25 08:08:01 +0000
After the cop and the priest, the blogger is the most despised creature in the whole of our contemporary world…..
Comment by Cesare Borgia on 2009-05-25 08:24:47 +0000
The news of my death is greatly exaggerated.
Comment by Paul McCartney on 2009-05-25 08:29:04 +0000
Forget the “Abbey Road” cover, I’m not dead either, and while you’re at it why not check out my novels “Remainder” and “Men In Space”… Even if literature is dead, what really counts is how long the news takes to circulate and it hasn’t reached me yet…
Comment by zichi on 2009-05-25 10:48:38 +0000
Thanks for the additional info. I have a problem with the bit about Chris going off to India in 1969 to join Osho. I met Chris in the early 1970’s and at that time he was a sannyasin. He was following some Buddhist stuff and attended various workshops together as we did with some Reichian therapy too. He never mentioned Osho in that period. Not that it really matters!
Comment by clair voyant on 2009-05-25 11:21:45 +0000
I first met the orange people in Dam Square in ’81 and then again they danced all around me at the Grateful Dead gigs at The Rainbow in ’83 and also turned up as acupuncturists and other “therapists” in the early 90s Californication. They had a big house in a leafy suburb here where they jumped and chanted into ecstacy and promoted the “laughing meditation”.
Reminds me of the Divine Light Mission and Guru Maharaji thing. Many of the scores I made in the early 80s involved Premie tapes and little pictures of a smiling man. There are stories of devotees and contraband runs, imported antiques and libraries, Indian weddings – it’s even a plot device in the UK Movie “The Strange Affair” http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063647/usercomments
My mate back then was convinced that The Psychedelic Furs’ “Flowers ” was all about Guru Maharaji
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palms/3625/psychede.htm#flowers
Comment by Ricardo Terrori on 2009-05-25 11:28:10 +0000
Dutch users usually tell the rest of the world about diffrerences in lasting and intensity depending on quality. I already have read Escohotado also about the topic of gammas. So if you got the strong thing, the ratio here could be about 2.5 euro an hour, and that’s not bad at all in a second thought!
So, the only thing left on my to do list is to get into the right clique!
Wish me luck when you are there.
Comment by mistertrippy on 2009-05-25 11:52:37 +0000
Hey Zichi, I’m sure you’re right (and indeed that I’m right) that Chris didn’t get into Osho until the mid-seventies. Like you say, it doesn’t really matter. I know Charlie was feeling a lot of pain and grief about Chris dying, and I think it is amazing he wrote such a great piece about Chris in the circumstances. Following on so quickly from the death of Franklin Rosemont, Chris’s death came as even more of a blow to Charlie. In case you don’t know, Charlie worked with Franklin on Rebel Worker when Franklin visited Europe in the mid-sixties, that led on to Heatwave which is the point at which Chris hooked up with Charlie, and then they went together into the Situationist International. I think Charlie is just using shorthand for India leading Chris to Osho and assumes we’ll fill in the time lapse.
What you say about Chris’ interests in early to mid-seventies sounds about right to me. He told me that when he worked on “Leaving The 20th Century” at that time it was mainly because other people really wanted him to do it, and he’d kinda lost interest in it. My impression was he’d started working on it sometime before but it was put aside due to lack of funds to publish it. That said, Chris told me that even with the cash to do it, left to his own devices he wouldn’t have seen it through to publication at that time. The things you mention sound to me much more like what he was into then.
And Clair Voyant, my mother was very into laughing meditation and she was in Divine Light Mission from 1972 until her death in 1979. I think one of the reasons Chris didn’t really talk to me about Osho was because he knew Divine Light was of far less interest to me than the hardcore Labroke Grove drug scene that had briefly put him in contact with my mum. We talked a lot about the Ladbroke Grove scene of the late-sixties and early seventies, the Situationists, drug smuggling/smugglers and contemporary revolutionary politics, but hardly a word about Osho. I remember one short conversation I had with Chris about Buddhism, and various spiritual things came up a few other times, but they were sidelines to what we mainly talked about. Chris was very curious about the information I was digging up about friends of my mother. For example, he’d heard of and was very interested to know more about Terry Taylor, but as far as he knew he had never met Taylor.
Comment by Oxford Working Class Bookfair on 2009-05-25 13:40:33 +0000
1ST OXFORD WORKING CLASS BOOKFAIR
SATURDAY 20TH JUNE, 11 am – 6 pm at Ruskin College, Walton Street, Oxford
Supporters of the event include Oxford & District TUC & local IWW
Books, talks, badges, workshops, posters, postcards, DVDs, CDs, music, culture, short films, magazines, lectures, warm atmosphere, fellowship, meet new people, education, entertainment, magazine, newspapers etc. To book a stall/more info. email us!
Includes 100th Anniversary of 1909 RUSKIN COLLEGE STRIKE meeting, the first radical student uprising in English history that saw students breakaway to form radical & anti-capitalist educational networks such as the PLEBS LEAGUE and CENTRAL LABOUR COLLEGES + Talks/workshops on anti-fascism & anti-racism, situationism/dada/surrealism, anti-capitalism, people’s history, trade unions, war, peace & empire, radical bookselling, bash the rich marches, psychogeography, feminism & women’s equality, social ecology, popular & radical education, poetry/culture/art, music etc
Speakers include –
COLIN WAUGH Radical educator/FE teacher, active on the Post 16 Educator journal, recently author of pamphlet on the 1909 Ruskin College Student Strike & Plebs League
IAN BONE English anarchist associated with Class War group. In 1984 he was labelled ‘the most deluded man in Britain’ by a British tabloid newspaper & was involved in the legendary Bash the Rich marches on wealthier areas of England such as Kensington, Henley-on-Thames & Hampstead.
RICHARD SEYMOUR Author of ‘The Liberal Defense of Murder’, a searing critique of the B52 liberals and pro-war left & the brains behind Lenin’s Tomb, one of the best-known political blogs in Britain, listed in 2005 as the 21st-most-popular blog in the country.
ANDREW BURGIN Radical seller/collektor of books, badges, posters, pamphlets & other emphemera. As press officer for the Stop the War Coalition he has worked particularly closely with the Military Families against the War campaign. He has also been linked to the Public Reading Rooms in London . . .
JUDITH ORR Author of ‘A Rebel’s Guide to Women’s Liberation’
MALCOLM HOPKINS Our man from Housemans, London Town’s oldest radical bookshop who boast the largest range of radical newsletters, newspapers and mags of any shop in Brtain! He also does talks on situationism, dada, and surrealism – top bloke!
Cllr JOHN TANNER Lefty Labour Councillor supports good causes like the Palestinians and anti-fascism – top bloke!
DAVID RENTON Independent writer & historian. Written extensively on the history of anti-fascism including ‘When We Touched the Sky’ a history of the Anti-Nazi League & ‘Red Shirts & Black’ (Published by Ruskin College Library) the story of how the facist Blackshirts were driven out of Oxford in the 1930s.
CIARAN WALSH IWW/Wobblie Member involved in Traveller education. ‘The IWW is a union unlike any other. It is a grassroots, democratic and militant union that seeks to organise ALL workers in ALL industries in ALL countries’ … Sounds like a good idea!
PETER DWYER has done many silly and good things including working with NGOs and the labour movement in South Africa and speaking at World Social Forums in Rio, Mali and Kenya. During the daytime he teaches radical economics at Ruskin College
GUY DEBORD Sadly Monsieur Debord can’t make this festival, but we have received a copy of The Society of the Spectacle – The Movie that will receive a free screening and Ruskin College premier during the course of the bookfair
LUCY PARSONS once described by the Chicago police as ‘more dangerous than a thousand rioters’, Parsons died in 1942, she will be brought back to life for one day during the bookfair with a public reading of her infamous address To Tramps
Also for OUR FRIENDS IN THE NORTH, there is another WORKING CLASS BOOKFAIR THE WEEK BEFORE IN SUNDERLAND!
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For more info. – http://www.oxfordworkingclassbookfair.blogspot.com or oxfordworkingclassbookfair@googlemail.com
Comment by Ben Morea on 2009-05-25 13:54:50 +0000
Sorry to hear about Chris, a good comrade. And don’t forget kids – if you don’t like lead you’re already dead! See you at the Oxford Working Class Bookfair!
Comment by Parmartha on 2009-05-25 13:56:03 +0000
Zichi
Chris took sannyas from Bhagwan (Osho) in 1975 after courting Buddhism and vipassana in the early seventies, he turned up in Pune and was invited to lead the Osho vipassana groups. He only did that for short time as he did not like the leadership role. But carried on living in Pune until about 1980 on and off.
There was more to Pari (Chris) than met the eye, including his seeming separate lives. I think he considered himself an Osho sannyasin until his death, but maybe he disguised this depending on who he was with.
Trippy
Elian his son is handling the Acid book. Yeah, you are right it has not yet reached any shop. Maybe get one direct from him.
Comment by zichi on 2009-05-25 14:34:04 +0000
Indeed, what mistertrippy says in a comment reply and also Parmartha says about Chris becoming sannyasin in 1975 is correct. I remember he went off to India with his then girlfriend Sue, both lived in Belsize Park, London. Both became sannyasin but I can’t remember Sue’s sannyasin name? I believe she became very close to Osho.
When he returned to London, it was with Usha, the mother of Eliane. Whatever was happening with Osho I have always considered Chris (Paritosh) and Usha to be sannyasin. I think he considered that the most important part of his life and not the Situationist stuff. I chose to highlight that on my own blog post.
It’s true that Chris had many aspects to his life and he shared most of it with me, even the very private stuff, because we shared a very common experience. Some of it I won’t be repeating in public because it’s not needed.
Hopefully, someone like Paul Sieveking will write an account of Chris who would produce the most accurate having known Chris as long as me, and also went off to India and became sannyasin.
Parmartha, I know that name but I can’t put a face to it? Sorry, I never became sannyasin but many of my friends did? Also I have been living in Japan for the last 15 years and have lost touch with many people.
Chris was born in Crosby, Liverpool. I was born in Bootle, Liverpool which is the next area. Both are working class places. Probably, Chris went to Bootle Grammar Schhool or even Merchant Taylors, which is a private school.
Comment by Ricardo Terrori on 2009-05-25 14:35:33 +0000
Ben: is it “lead” as in “bullet”, or “lead” as in “leadership academy”, or “lead” as in “a girl with pink hair carrying a boy with green hair on a lead”?
Sorry, I’m not a native speaker and I don’t get a lot of subtleties!
I read a fair deal of Osho books in the 90’s and tried Light meditation, you know, imagining the rays crossing thru my body form feet to head and stuff.
Got an excellent sleep!
Comment by mistertrippy on 2009-05-25 15:02:42 +0000
Zichi, I just got an email from Paul Sieveking who has written some notes on Chris so that, as I understand it, Dick Pountain can produce an obit. Presumably this is the Guardian obit discussed elsewhere. Paul’s notes provided me with the correct birth and growing up and educational details for Chris, which I’ve added at the bottom of the post. I’d forgotten Chris went to Repton, I did discuss schooling with him several times: his, mine and Mob’s. So I knew about his private schooling but having no personal links to the British public (i.e. private and fee charging) school system, the individual institutions don’t mean much to me. Chris clearly liked the fact that I’d taught myself so much despite a degraded education in a state secondary school. From Paul’s notes I can also tell you that Sue’s sannyasin name is Pradeepa. I also think you are right to say that the Situationist element of Chris’ life was not the most important one. Chris had a critique of the Situationists and his revolutionary politics clearly were broader than those of the SI. However, if there was a single most important element to his life, I’m not in a position to say what it was. I suspect there may not have been one single most important thing but both his kids clearly meant a lot to him – that said, he mainly talked to me about Mob but that’s because he clearly saw parallels between my life and hers due to my mother’s involvement with the Ladbroke Grove drug scene.
Comment by zichi on 2009-05-25 15:32:05 +0000
mistertrippy, thank you for more info, Chris’s life is like a very long ball of string with many knots. I’m sure his children were always very close to his heart. He was a man of affection.
It’s good to know Paul Sieveking and Dick Pountain (who I don’t know?) will write an account of Chris (Paritosh). I think that will be accurate. Sieveking is good for remembering the stuff the rest of us have forgotten.
Comment by zichi on 2009-05-25 15:44:28 +0000
I should have added that Paul Sieveking is an excellent archivist, amongst many other worthy talents, including ex-editor of the Fortean Times.
I think he’s been sticking stuff into scrap books since the day he was born! He has a wealth of info and photo’s on many people. May be someday that will be published too?
Comment by johnnyvoid on 2009-05-25 17:39:06 +0000
thanks for the link stewart
this seems as good a place as any to mention that the International Times archive has just gone online at http://www.internationaltimes.it/
Comment by Sean Diamond on 2009-05-25 17:52:19 +0000
Anyone know what road in crosby he lived down ? A good proportion of my family have lived in this charming area over the years, it was my hometown before i ventured south as a teenager. i would be interested to hear more about this part of his life, please e mail me with any info you might have !
Comment by mistertrippy on 2009-05-25 19:07:20 +0000
Zichi, I only know Dick Pountain by reputation but he is a journalist who moved to Notting Hill in the 1960s and appears in many histories of that time. Dave (Not So) Wise has a lot to say about him in his curious but very problematic “Jumbled Notes: A Critical Hidden History of King Mob”:
“What can one say about this guy without feeling disheartened and miserable? It is the case of somebody initially having a pretty good critique on all kind of things taking place at the time gradually going to the all time dogs and “lilies that fester small far worse than weeds”. In the early days and at his best he possessed a keen sense of observation. Hailing from Chesterfield in North Derbyshire, Dick Pountain had for instance a fine take on some of the complexities of people working in heavy industry in and around Sheffield particularly those who’d taken to frequenting heavy drinking night clubs packed with Chicago blues fans and which spawned the likes of Joe Cocker…….
From reading the plethora of books appearing on the late 60s, you could be forgiven for thinking Dick Pountain was a “leading situationist” as some blurb on one of these nonsensical offerings would have it. …this same man now is willing to accept such an accolade particularly as his posh friend, the journalist and lexographer, Jonathan Green, has published quite a few books on the late 60s…. In these books there are on-the-spot interviews with Dick Pountain discussing drugs, direct action and some of the characters involved… Dick Pountain always liked individuals who were on the make… Glad to bask in a hip glow, the murky reality of what Dick Pountain was to become isn’t even hinted at…….
Dick Pountain was a man who could read and understand Situationist theory – quickly getting a grasp of some of its essence – which for Britain was fairly remarkable considering the pitiful few who did in the late 60s. He applied the critique though with a somewhat dour disposition as though even from the earliest moments he wasn’t all that keen on it and in no time wasn’t really disposed to what he quickly regarded as “niave utopianism”…”
That should give you the drift of what Dave (Not So) Wise thinks of Pountain. Others are far more enthusiastic. I have no particular view because I’ve not looked into the matters raised by (Not So) Wise and others. I will attempt to do so at some point in the future. (Not So) Wise is equally rude about me in the same text and I don’t necessarily take what he has to say at face value. I do not, however, think he is lying. I just find that he often isn’t very good at verifying information and makes too many assumptions, accepting hearsay as truth. What I do like is his emphasis on class.
Comment by Ricardo Terrori on 2009-05-25 23:57:48 +0000
International Times rocks!
Someone send some lysergic acid diethylamide, please!
Comment by b on 2009-05-25 23:58:56 +0000
Dick Pountain is a big figure in Jewish gangster-publishing boss Felix Dennis’s empire. Big as in maybe worth a hundred million. Big.
You write:
“One time when I was rapping with Chris, he told me the reason he went to India was to finance the revolution.”
Funny, because when my auntie’s uncle had finished rapping with Lloyd George (she grew to find him too passé), she told me drug dealing and the revolution didn’t mix. While I’m here, it’s fascinating, isn’t in it, to see John Barker falling into a similar trap in the noughties to the one he fell into nearly 40 years ago – hanging out with scenes organised around trendy magazines….
Pountain by the way helped out the gov and Foreign Office with their “Cool Britannia” campaign… What a nice guy.
Comment by mistertrippy on 2009-05-26 00:18:31 +0000
Nice to have eyes in the back of your head, but unfortunately you don’t seem to have any at the front, so I guess you can’t see where this ‘revolutionary’ (sic) purism might lead you…
Comment by b on 2009-05-26 00:29:44 +0000
No, I find ideology even more repulsive than you do – being averse not just to consuming it but to using it too. No “purism” here, more like “who wants to be a cunt and mix with cunts?”
Your eyes and head metaphor says what? That I’m right but that’s not what gets people invited to openings?
Revolution ain’t on the cards any time soon. Dunno who you’re quoting when you put “revolutionary” in quotes. Not me.
Where might the attributed “ism” lead me? Poverty? I’m there already. Suicide? I’ve got responsibilities and at least some reserves, so not that either… Anyway, do tell what you can see about where it might lead me, from those front-of-head eyes. I won’t tell you how many people know about the Belle de Jour thing in return (more than you think, I suspect), but there you go.
It’s not revolutionary purism. It’s clued-up class hatred and it keeps me sane in this fucked-up society to whose health you knowingly contribute.
Comment by mistertrippy on 2009-05-26 00:46:39 +0000
“I won’t tell you how many people know about the Belle de Jour thing in return (more than you think, I suspect), but there you go.”
So what makes this true other than the fact you keep repeating it? Read it in The Evening Standard did you? I did too but that doesn’t mean I believe it. You remind me of the Devon and Cornwall cops who read in The Big Issue that Jimmy Cauty had a stash of weapons, so they went and raided him, only to find there was nothing there.
Comment by b on 2009-05-26 00:56:20 +0000
You left huge tracks both before and afterwards – advice to asiring writers, loads and loads of stuff – and actually it was me who clued in the guy who gave the story to the Evening Standard. You think you know it all but you’d be surprised how many people can see right through you on this one.
Comment by b on 2009-05-26 00:58:01 +0000
It must be those eyes we’ve all got in the backs of our heads!
You still haven’t told where this “revolutionary purism” I suffer from might lead me.
Comment by b on 2009-05-26 01:21:22 +0000
The guy who gave the story to the Evening Standard (if he got paid, it wasn’t much) and his fellow early-times litto-blogger originally thought it was Lisa Hilton – you know, that posh totty who you put out disinformation about (ha ha!), before the Evening Standard had the story and without your even thinking ANYONE would be clever enough to suss you were “Belle”… So no, to answer your question, I didn’t get it from the Standard.
Comment by zichi on 2009-05-26 01:53:43 +0000
Mistertrippy,
King Mob was over by the time I arrived in Labroke Grove in the early 1970’s were I got involved with printing which was the only available mass communication tool at the time. Most of what I learnt about King Mob came later from spending time with John Gravelle. I never spoke much with Chris Gray about KM. In the end, John Gravelle was more interested in trying to get me buy him another bottle of “Collis-Brown” cough mixture, which unfortunately he was addicted to, and also banned from just about every chemist in Camden, London.
I read Dave Wise’s “Critical Hidden History of King Mob” which took several headaches and I had to force myself to the end. I remembered why I lost interest in most “Situationist-Text type people” by 1975 which is probably why I never spoke much with Chris about those times. Or may be we just found other things to talk about or even not talk about.
For most of my London life I lived in a squat in Haverstock Hill, Hampstead, London. I think I was there for about 17 years, except for a year or so when I moved to another squat in Eton Ave where Chris and Usha eventually lived. Sid Vicious and Nancy also lived at that squat before going off to New York. We turned the Haverstock squat into a housing co-op, but is now owned by Paddington Housing Association, also they own the houses in Eton Ave.
Paul Sieveking also lived for a time at the Haverstock Hill squat. I helped him print the first English copy of Raul Vaneigem’s “Revolution of Everyday Life” which he had mainly translated with John Fullerton. We printed it while working for a theatre in the West End. I still like that book.
In the early 1970’s I shared a house for a couple years with Andy Munroe, who was also close with John Gravelle and Brenda Gravelle. I spent a lot of time with David Solomon and made frequent visits to Amsterdam to meet people like Simon Vinkenoog. At Solomon’s apartment I met Alexander Trocchi and frequently, George Andrews.
I sometimes get the odd email from Ken Knabb.
Dick Pountain, never heard of him until your post, your account of him don’t sound so good. If he writes an account of Chris I hope it will be accurate. I trust the writing of Paul Sieveking so I hope he’ll pick up the pen too!
With the passing of Chris, and other recent friends, like “Bhaskar” and “Jasper the Sadu” both also lived in Haverstock Hill squats, is the short time we are all here and every moment is precious!
Comment by mistertrippy on 2009-05-26 09:44:23 +0000
Zichi, thanks for the fill in. A lot of this history remains to be written. I pulled out the Critical Hidden History of King Mob because “lsdkfjls” had posted a sample of it on my first post about Chris. That reminded me of it. I went to it when you asked about Dick Pountain because having done some web searches, I couldn’t find anything that gave an overview about him. I have no idea how much of what is in there about Pountain is true or accurate, but like I said I’m sure the author believes it to be true. I do know there are other inaccuracies in there about other things, and I’d intended to blog something up about some of this at some point. But then having read the text you’ll no doubt understand why I haven’t rushed to do this. The piece is so badly written and organised that picking through it is painful.
Comment by b on 2009-05-26 10:41:01 +0000
Don’t flatter yourself, saying in the other thread that you’ve wound me up.
Couple more things, in this my last post here. Did you know that King Mob was funded by Tory businessman LEONARD PLUGGE? I’ve got a snap of him with Chris and Charlie, all with big grins on their doubtless drug-addled bourgeois faces. They’re at the door of one of Plugge’s properties in Ladbroke Grove. Yes, Plugge was involved in the drug industry as well as music and war propaganda. Drugs and music aren’t exactly two industries? Better living through chemistry, indeed. Give the moron yoof what they want and laugh all the way to the tax-avoidance anonymous-author scheme. Fuck off. Some peeps are ahead of the curve. Plugge was. He made more money than you will, too.
Second – can you provide the name of a single person (one of those famous ones you admire the acts of will do fine) who has actually publicly claimed to have met (or even known) your so-called “mother”?
Lastly – dig your jibe in the other thread about how the circle of people who admire the Wise brothers’ writing is only “very slightly wider” than their personal circle. That just boils down to saying they aren’t money-grabbing social-climbing cunts like you.
Oh and by the way, I’d MUCH rather be the fool I am than a cunt like you.
Comment by mistertrippy on 2009-05-26 11:56:51 +0000
None of which provides any evidence for the unsubstantiated claim you’ve repeated on this thread that I am the author of the Belle de Jour book and blogs. I suggested on the other thread about Chris that it would be useful if you attempted to substantiate your claims on this score.
All you’ve said so far is: “You left huge tracks both before and afterwards – advice to asiring writers, loads and loads of stuff”. What advice? Where is it? How does it prove I wrote the Belle de Jour book and blogs? The idea I’ve given ‘advice to asiring (sic) writers’ is in itself ridiculous. My advice to anyone wishing to be a professional writer would be not to have children, rather than to sire them.
Comment by Ricardo Terrori on 2009-05-26 12:17:30 +0000
Got totally lost, but I have to concede that b have certainly some way with words. At least he hasn’t grabbed the “Fuck off, That’s all!” not very impressive argument. But things are getting too personal here, even if “Cunt” was a title for one of Stewart’s stories.
It’s 8am here in chile, so I didn’t got part in it earlier because of that. I’m not taking part right now either, just want to say that when you (generalizing) still stick to notions as “class”, “revolution” or even “mother”, this kind of interesting, but finally troublesome and destructive dialogue appears soon or later.
I can tell b is clearly no “prick”, but Stewart is not a socialité, either. I’m sure if he has to go to openings is not to enjoy the friggin vibe, but to write for us, and you don’t forget, b, that to read blogs is still free, if you can access internet conection.
I was about to write the other day that people don’t tend to attack Stewart in this blog, and would like to do it, but maybe I won’t now. The thing is I agree with you, b. There is a lot of trendy crap about drugs and political activism, and at the end, drugs may kill people, and so most of historically known political revolutions. But life is so complex, and westeners so alienated that you can’t ask for people don’t experiment or even get lost from time to time. If you are already awakened, you know you can’t pass it on.
And yeah, there is a lot of lies behind the scenes, and a sucker is born every minute.
Comment by Joseph Kessel on 2009-05-26 12:29:44 +0000
No, I wrote Belle De Jour!
Comment by Ricardo Terrori on 2009-05-26 13:05:06 +0000
I read about the belle de jour “mistery” like four years ago in Buzzwords, I think, definitely not at the Evening Standard. I don’t remember if I have read some of it, but I still don’t see the point about if Stewart writes it or not, even if he say he doesn’t.
Did the collective name thingy and stuff amounted for nothing?
Are we returning to the disgusting Respect for Identity times? C’mon!
Muammar Al-Gaddafi “wrote” it, boys! (In fact, him, chief recuperator on his land, plagiarized it from Fanny Hill…on acid)
Comment by mistertrippy on 2009-05-26 14:38:39 +0000
Rick, I’ve got no interest at all in who wrote the Belle de Jour texts, but if people are going to make claims about this and wish to be taken seriously then they should provide some evidence. I don’t care if people do or don’t think I wrote the Belle de Jour book and blog, what I’m pointing out are epistemological issues. The old fool posting this rot no doubt believes what they are saying is true, but I am less interested in the truth or falsity of the claim than I am in their inability to back up their arguments. As a consequence I would treat everything they say as unreliable, not because I think they are lying, but because they lack the necessary critical skills to make informed judgements.
Maybe you know anyway, but the Mama Soul fan that posted the comment above/beneath you was making a pun. For those that don’t, Wikipedia puts it this way:
Joseph Kessel (10 February 1898 – 23 July 1979) was a French journalist and novelist.
He was born in Clara, Entre Ríos, Argentina, because of the constant journeys of his father, a Lithuanian doctor of Jewish origin. Joseph Kessel lived the first years of his childhood in Orenburg, Russia, before the family moved to France. He studied in Nice and Paris, and took part in the First World War as an aviator.
Kessel wrote several novels and books that were later represented in the cinema, such as Belle de jour (by Luis Buñuel in 1967). He was also a member of the Académie française from 1962 to 1979. In 1943 he and his nephew Maurice Druon translated Anna Marly’s song Chant des Partisans into French from its original Russian. The song became one of the anthems of the Free French Forces.
Joseph Kessel died in in Avernes, Val-d’Oise. He is buried in the Cimetière de Montparnasse in Paris.
Comment by Ricardo Terrori on 2009-05-26 16:03:07 +0000
Got the evidence argument, Stewart. As you said, people can draw conclutions about quality of the argument. I remember when I wrote an email to you about polemics, what were your methods, etc, and I know you have one of the more impeccable logical skills set I have never seen.
Never knew about Kessel. As I stated before, I lost a lot of puns and subtleties, but doing my best while trying to divert attention to my rants about the “Third World”, which “authenticity” is, at least, unreliable also.
Didn’t know of the Buñuel movie either and that’s just plain ignorance on my sorry part!
You rock even more when some old fool stirs you up!
PS: I’ve got you mentioned on my humble blog, just a little update of what is going on here for a few readers in spanish language.
Comment by b on 2009-05-26 17:57:52 +0000
Oh well, I’m back…
You tripped up by publishing advice to aspiring writers under your own name around the same time as doing exactly the same thing under the Belle name, and what parallels there were in the content! I’ll leave aside your awfully killing reference to the fact that I made a typo and missed the “p” out of “aspiring”, and focus on your mealy-mouthed denial of ever having given advice to aspiring writers. In reality you’ve TAUGHT COURSES TO ASPIRING WRITERS, in which you’ve encouraged them to, er, set up blogs under false personas. I’ll leave it to others to Google this stuff. Made my points. I’m not in court…
As you know (I think you may have been the one who revealed it?) Trocchi did pretty much the same thing with the fake author crap, which job maybe never even got exposed in his lifetime? As Belle you suck up to chosen hacks and cultural figures like no-one’s business. You whirl the idiots around your little finger… Of course, what else does one expect? The literature world is a suck-up world – and all your fucking opus is literature, literature, literature. Nothing to get really angry about, this Belle biz. Just thought I’d mention it, is all… Many who read this blog are naive and might as well not waste their time…
Comment by b on 2009-05-26 18:11:45 +0000
Just for those who were wondering whether they should give any credence to Home’s suggestion that I was making stuff up, here’s a link to some info on how Home has not only given advice to aspiring writers, but actually held a post where it was his job to do so.
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2007/02/138501.php
He says the idea he advises aspiring writers is ridiculous. Doesn’t stop it from being the truth. The rest I’ll leave to others to find. He’s trying to waste my time by coming over all “epistemological”. He underestimated the world when he thought no-one would realise he was the author of the Belle stuff. One day he’s going to come a cropper…
Comment by b on 2009-05-26 18:13:25 +0000
Shit, try this instead, which goes to the Google cache:
http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:1gflmv50VooJ:melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2007/02/138501.php
Comment by mistertrippy on 2009-05-26 21:00:56 +0000
Looks like I was wrong, you do know you’re lying. It stretches credulity too far to credit you with honest intentions when you turn a pun on the word ‘siring’ (playing off your typo, since you missed the ‘p’ in ‘aspiring’ and turned it into ‘asiring’) into me denying I’ve ever held a creative writing job. So you’re proved that you’re a dirty rotten liar. I’m not impressed.
Comment by History is Made at Night on 2009-05-26 22:57:35 +0000
Thanks for posting all this info in Gray, I didn’t know him personally but he comes across as, at the very least, someone who led an interesting life. I note that he was denounced by situationist purists for his mystical explorations, but I don’t see that as intrinsically reactionary. I would see communism as being about the reorganisation of social relations, to put social wealth at the disposal of everybody. It’s not an ideology with ready-made answers about all aspects of existence. In a communist society people would still be wrestling with the questiions of birth, love, sex, grief, pain, death and the relationship between human beings and the cosmos, and there is plenty of wisdom on these questions to be gained from ‘mystical’, ‘occultural’ and other ‘non-political’ currents, albeit that we might want to critique how some of these ideas have been used historically to mystify domination.
Comment by Msmarmitelover on 2009-05-26 23:30:34 +0000
Good stuff as usual Stewart. I’m not keeping up my travels blog. So busy making volauvents and the like, I’ve forgotten to think.
That’s my fate really innit like: kinder, kirche, kitchen or whatever.
Toot toot.
Comment by mistertrippy on 2009-05-26 23:40:52 +0000
Neil, glad it is useful and I definitely feel lucky to have known Chris. I agree with you about what we’ll be exploring in a communist world too… And of course the quote from Marx about religion is one of his most famous: “Religious distress is at the same time the expression of real distress and the protest against real distress. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of a spiritless situation. It is the opium of the people. The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusion about its condition is the demand to give up a condition which needs illusions.” “Critique of Hegel’s Philosophy of Right”. Marx is clearly talking about organised religion not other states of consciousness, and mysticism can be about either one of these, or both! But when mystical experiences are enjoyed away from organised religion, they enable us to experience at a higher level the states of consciousness enjoyed by man in primitive communist societies. The idea that mature communism is only going to replicate at a higher level the modes of social organisation found in primitive communism is clearly ludicrous, it must also be about regaining lost states of consciousness. Anything less would be a failure to break with bourgeois modes of thought and shallow rationalism.
Comment by b on 2009-05-26 23:46:12 +0000
Trippy – yeah, as always – dish up the shit for the punters to drink up, and then when time gets called, it was a joke all along and only fools would think it was genuine. I mean punning on a typo. Fucking sophisticated, that. Right up your epistemological street.
You know the advice you gave to writers, not to think about success but just to enjoy their work and then success might drop out of the tree as an added bonus? Do you know where I heard that first? From Tony Wilson of Factory Records – the millionaire businessman who bought up some of Debord’s artwork and then funded conference discussion to increase the value of his assets. Eat your heart out, Charles Saatchi. As for Dick Pountain, whose name was mentioned here…maybe ask Charlie for his number and see if you can sell an obituary (sorry, aren’t I using the publishing-queen lingo? I mean “obit”) of Gray to one of Dennis’s publications. That’s if Pountain doesn’t want to do it himself. Not that any title in Dennis’s empire comes to mind as suitable, but you’ve never been short of business chutzpah.
Some advice you gave in the Belle persona:
http://belledejour-uk.blogspot.com/2007_01_01_belledejour-uk_archive.html
Transpontine – have you written anything yet on how the rise of the “rave” culture was brought about by gangsters, to build up the market for their ecstasy? Is it too touchy a subject that they were (and are) Israelis?
Comment by mistertrippy on 2009-05-26 23:51:44 +0000
Have you always been this boring or is it just something you’ve got into lately?
Comment by b on 2009-05-26 23:56:31 +0000
You ask THAT, after penning the verbiage of the preceding post?! “Anything less would be a failure to break with bourgeois modes of thought and shallow rationalism”. “Break with”, indeed. Ping! Switch on the enlightenment! But I’ll leave you to your “interesting” colleagues in literary London and bullshit bloggery…
Comment by b on 2009-05-27 00:01:32 +0000
If you want to name one single living person who has said publicly that they knew your so-called “mother”, who allegedly knew everyone who was ANYONE on the kaftan scene in Notting Hill 40 years ago, you will… Otherwise it’s just shiterature, innit?
Comment by Ricardo Terrori on 2009-05-27 01:38:12 +0000
The fake author is not crap. It is not even an author, but that story is as old as literature. Think of “The Bible”, written by ghost writers of “GOD”.
I’m not an aspiring writer, thanks Horus, but I have awful headaches and take a lot of aspirin, which has my poor stomach quite damaged.
In an experimental spirit, although, I heve googled the folllowing tags:
Stewart Home courses aspiring writers blogs false personas
…and got an astonishingly limited number of answers; amongst them, the most interesting turned to be my own blog, CRAFT, then and a page of an ex MI6 agent claiming to be an aspiring writer, and six collages by Out To Lunch.
Didn’t got anything about situationism or Bhagwan.
I’m naive and want to stay this way.
Who says we all must to be revolutionaries, or even writers?
I always knew israelis were behind it all!
DOWN WITH AUTHENTICITY!
LONG LIVE BULLSHIT BLOGGERY!
Comment by resentful ideological knickers on 2009-05-27 05:13:28 +0000
b, Mr Home has really got to you hasn’t he? His success writing about Situationist works clearly really pisses you off….
But you really are getting your resentful ideological knickers and union jack pants in a twist about nothing — who cares if S.Home did, or didn’t write such and such a book,did or didn’t do what he said he did ?
Who cares if he is toying with, subverting, using the system or playing along with its contradictions?
Who the f*** cares? Haven’t you got better things to do with your time? Lots of good books to read, friends to make, whatever.
Good luck ! There is a whole world out there to explore…..
Comment by howling wizard, shrieking toad on 2009-05-27 05:51:38 +0000
Blimey!
Comment by Michael Roth on 2009-05-27 16:01:59 +0000
Wow, I didn’t realize blogging was such a blood sport! With ‘Yo Momma’ insults and everything. No doubt there’s some personal history there. Great info on Chris and King Mob and some great links, especially johnnyvoid’s International Times link. However, I still have a few questions –
Why is it so important for Stewart Home to have written the Belle de Jour blog? Is there some significance that I’m missing if he did write it? Is there some sort of reward or prize if we can prove who in fact is the Belle? Does anyone actually care about this anymore?
Why does it matter that Felix Dennis is Jewish?
Did anyone send Ricardo some lysergic acid diethylamide? If not, Rick check out page 23 of the copy of Los Detectives Salvajes that will “magically” appear on your doorstep …
Why does b have a crush on Stewart Home? (and I mean that creepy, stalker-type crush.)
Why does b sound suspiciously like my girlfriend? (and if b is my girlfriend, I will take out the garbage LATER, ok.)
Well, I think that’s it for now …
Comment by History is Made at Night on 2009-05-27 20:06:24 +0000
@b: ‘Transpontine – have you written anything yet on how the rise of the “rave” culture was brought about by gangsters, to build up the market for their ecstasy? Is it too touchy a subject that they were (and are) Israelis?’
Yes, I did write recently about the role of gangsters in dance cultures:
http://history-is-made-at-night.blogspot.com/2009/02/club-uk-in-wandsworth-love-ecstasy-and.html
I think it is a bit more complex than dancing proles being manipulated by gangsters though. As for the Israeli connection I know nothing at all about this, would be interested in knowing more, have you written about it anywhere.
Comment by howling wizard, shrieking toad on 2009-05-28 07:09:40 +0000
“As for the Israeli connection I know nothing at all about this, would be interested in knowing more, have you written about it anywhere.”
I agree, and I’d like to know more too.
Comment by Michael Roth on 2009-05-28 14:53:02 +0000
Just did a quick search re: Israeli connection. Very interesting; I had no idea about this before. Here are a couple of links to articles I ran across:
From Jewish Journal –
http://www.jewishjournal.com/health/article/how_cookie_crumbled_20010803/
From Haaretz –
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=280827&contrassID=2&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y
Comment by Peter45 on 2009-06-04 09:26:38 +0000
B…or Nick?… Shut up. Go and pester poor Rowan again. BdJ was not Showerhead’s trip.
Comment by howling wizard, shrieking toad on 2009-06-04 09:30:02 +0000
BdJ was not Showerhead’s trip.
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Comment by mistertrippy on 2009-06-04 10:51:14 +0000
They call me Stewart ‘Showerhead’ Home because of the scattershot effects of my prose. Berlin Underground magazine “Super! Bierfront” put it this way in a 1990s feature they ran on Neoism:
“Stewart Home. Wants to destroy the avant-garde, anarchist and occult scenes. Uses situationist tactics against the situationists. This non-stop producer is considered an egomaniac by all those he attacks: the KING MOB oldies Dave & Stuart Wise, cyber hippie Hakim Bey, all the other Neoists, pro-situ-bystanders like John Zerzan and Bob Black, members of the British literary establishment such as Martin Amis and Salman Rushdie etc. There’s hardly a day on which this industrious hooligan doesn’t piss people off and spread false rumours for tactical reasons. After three years on Art Strike (1990-1993), Home sold both his archive and his bed to the Museum of Modern Art in New York. For Home, one of the best things about his success as a provocative political pornographer is the fact that he now has a harem of seventeen year-old girlfriends.”
For an English translation of the full article go to:
http://www.stewarthomesociety.org/neoism/neobier.htm
And it is probably obvious to you Howling Wiz, but just in case it isn’t, Bdj = Belle de Jour!
Comment by yeah on 2009-06-07 16:38:24 +0000
This is the impact of a big-time recuperator like Home – young people who could be thinking and doing useful things feel they have “permission” from those whom they see having a good time in the media spectacle (which includes 99.999% of publishing) to say things like “long live bullshit” when they’re confronted with genuine social criticism… Home’s work is shit, fandom is shit, Bhagwanism is a lump of dogshit, and maybe just one or two people reading this might wise up some time in the next decade or two without thinking that anything to do with “communist critique” is deadly because it reminds them of artists (and yes, Home, you are a fucking artist from the top of your stupid haircut to the tips of your toes), posers, and…people who say “long live bullshit”.
Comment by yeah on 2009-06-07 17:00:06 +0000
Home has been involved in many anonymous and pseudonymous efforts, from “Wombat 92” to “Crown Against Concubine”, from “Green and Brown Anarchist” to that stuff praising the Leninist party and going on about the Situationists that I can’t be bothered to look up, one of the aims of which was to wind up Alex Callinicos.
You know what the most pathetic thing is? It’s when you mention some of this to someone who’s in a scene that is being targeted, and they can’t get their heads round the idea that someone would do THAT to THEM. Or perhaps it’s when you mention it to someone who “vaguely” knows Home, has maybe met him five or ten times, who says no it can’t POSSIBLY be true, because they’re his close confidant and he’d definitely have told THEM. God almighty, the naivety of some people. Ain’t that right, Stewart?
But Home, some of us have been onto you for years. Not everyone is as stupid as your best-known opponents, whom you enjoy picking fights with, always to your own financial advantage, such as Larry O’Hara. Say what you like about LO’H (or I will: he is pathetically unable to comprehend the layers of disinformation that are apparent in the 911/77 “truth movement), but at least he isn’t in the fight with you for the money. He’s sincere.
I noticed that you cuntishly said the Wise brothers were “rude” to you in their material on King Mob. Aw diddums. You can give it but you can’t take it? You didn’t mention that as far back as your book Assault on Culture you were pouring shit on them, and a few years later you lyingly called them “entrepreneurs”. Imagine dirt like you calling someone else something like that!
And to think you used to live with someone who was a mate of theirs… Doubtless all the time gathering ammunition against these people whose integrity makes them a target for you and your posy art projects. The difference between you and Patti Smith is that you have access to proper radical stuff…which just makes you a more successful bastard in your recuperative work…
Comment by mistertrippy on 2009-06-07 20:43:06 +0000
It has also been claimed I wrote the complete works of Shakespeare, but personally I don’t believe it.
Comment by Dave Edwards on 2009-06-11 16:51:09 +0000
Dear “b”,
could you please scan and email me (dave9_22@hotmail.com) the photo of Leonard Plugge with Charlie Radcliffe & Chris Gray? This I must see!!!
Thanks,
Dave.
Comment by Dave Edwards on 2009-06-12 16:58:18 +0000
from Dave Edwards (dave9_22@hotmail.com)
Dear Messrs “b” & this site’s webmaster,
I take it then that there never was a photo of Leonard Plugge with Chris Gray and Charlie Radcliffe?
Comment by mistertrippy on 2009-06-12 18:30:14 +0000
Dave, I have no idea whether this photo exists but whether it does or doesn’t exist doesn’t really interest me. If the alleged photo exists one would need to know the context to make anything of it; it might – for example – have been faked using photoshop or whatever. But even if Chris Gray and Charlie Radcliffe were once in the same space as Plugge what does it mean? Nothing much in all probability. I once met Dave & Stuart Wise in a pub but didn’t learn who they were until after I left – I didn’t like them and had a political argument with them. What does that prove? Very little as far as I can see. “B” strikes me as a Trolling 2.0 type and if you look thought the comments here you can see s/he’s cut a very poor figure. The comments in relation to Foucault and Derrida on the Yvonne Rainer blog show s/he either hadn’t read or hadn’t understood that one properly, and one could go one and on. But why bother. S/he’s a troll. Which also means “B” might come on here and leave comments under all sorts of names, including of course yours, Dave Edwards.
Comment by Dave Edwards on 2009-06-17 10:34:34 +0000
As pseudonymous, scabrous and Jesuitical virtual screeds go, anyone would think this site was a wacky English-language mirror of Jean-Pierre Voyer’s “M. Ripley s’amuse” at http://pagesperso-orange.fr/leuven/ !!
Comment by mistertrippy on 2009-06-21 10:40:43 +0000
It turns out Paul Sieveking’s piece on Chris was not for “The Guardian” but for “The Void” blog. That has been up online for a few weeks now: http://johnnyvoid.wordpress.com/2009/06/02/chris-grey-rip-part-2/#comment-1507
I don’t know if the rumoured “Guardian” obit is just a rumour, or if it will appear at some point…
Comment by b on 2009-07-20 22:24:44 +0000
dave9_22@hotmail.com – for fuck’s sake – I’ve got the photo of Plugge with Radcliffe and Gray but it’s in one of about 25 boxes of, er, “archives” in my loft. I can’t be bothered to spend 2-3 days digging it out. I’m not exactly the only one around who knows of the role Plugge played. Email Charlie and ask him whether he knew Plugge if you want. That poser Barker knew him too.
Home – I’ve never posted anything anywhere about Foucault or Derrida. I’d have thought such wank (oh, I mean “criticising” it) was your department.
Comment by mistertrippy on 2009-07-20 23:49:47 +0000
“Home – I’ve never posted anything anywhere about Foucault or Derrida. I’d have thought such wank (oh, I mean “criticising” it) was your department.”
Do I have to rephrase it for you dumbo? Here’s what I said: “The comments in relation to Foucault and Derrida on the Yvonne Rainer blog show s/he either hadn’t read or hadn’t understood that one properly, and one could go one and on.”
I do not say you posted comments about or even mentioned Foucault and Derrida, there were a series of comments about the blog and Foucault and Derrida and you were involved in that thread:
http://stewarthomesociety.org/blog/?p=1686#comments
You send me to sleep zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Comment by b on 2009-08-08 08:56:58 +0000
Actually dimwit, I wasn’t involved in that thread. What on earth gave you that idea? Or are you just checking?
You said: “B” strikes me as a Trolling 2.0 type and if you look thought the comments here you can see s/he’s cut a very poor figure. The comments in relation to Foucault and Derrida on the Yvonne Rainer blog show s/he either hadn’t read or hadn’t understood that one properly, and one could go one and on.”
Maybe your writing ain’t as skilled as you think? Given that most of the contributors here are your dickhead fans, it’s obvious I’m going to cut a poor figure among such fools. But y’know, what if someone’s lurking who ain’t a fan? Eh? Or turned up here after searching on Gray stuff, even if your whole oeuvre and shtick makes them want to vomit? The Plugge info for one thing might be well appreciated.
Comment by mistertrippy on 2009-08-08 19:26:28 +0000
“Actually dimwit, I wasn’t involved in that thread. What on earth gave you that idea?”
The server ID that is identical to yours (which I can see as admin); but I guess you’re the type of person who might claim that the secret state break into your pad while you’re out and come on here to leave comments.
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Comment by b on 2009-08-08 22:35:51 +0000
Nope – wasn’t me.
Comment by Howling Wizard, Shrieking Toad on 2009-08-09 06:44:25 +0000
Just found the following on the net —
“Stewart Home is a genius — if you don’t like his books I will follow you around and annoy you — forever. Starting now. ”
http://www.timeout.com/london/books/features/4312/1.html
Comment by Howling Wizard, Shrieking Toad on 2009-08-09 06:56:54 +0000
7 comments Posted by Villlon on 02 May 2009 05:40
Stewart Home is a genius — if you don’t like his books I will follow you around and annoy you — forever. Starting now.
Comment by mistertrippy on 2009-08-09 11:13:15 +0000
Thanks Howling Wiz, and either B is sharing their computer with someone else who is also commenting on here or s/he is suffering “black-outs”…. maybe it is one of his/her split-personalities….
Comment by Annouchka Sputum on 2009-08-09 12:36:59 +0000
I’m wearing my bikini for my bois. Hott!